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- #: 132723 S10/Paranormal Issues
- 24-Jan-88 20:44:40
- Sb: #132714-#UFO PHENOMENA
- Fm: Michelle & Charles 76701,11
- To: John LEar 71251,642 (X)
-
- One thing we'd like to ask you about your theory: Why the USA? It seems that
- we (and/or the USSR) are the most risky place for UFOs to stage operations.
- The Amazon, or middle of Africa, or any other "backwards" region would seem a
- better bet than here.
-
-
- -- charles
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- * Reply: 132762
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- #: 132762 S10/Paranormal Issues
- 25-Jan-88 09:09:29
- Sb: #132723-UFO PHENOMENA
- Fm: John LEar 71251,642
- To: Michelle & Charles 76701,11 (X)
-
- Its not just the USA. Apparently the Russians got caught up in thss scenario
- too and that was the reason for the meeting at Iceland and the reason that
- Gorbachev caved in. Now the question is: are any of us more favored than the
- other? Can it be coincidence that for the past 2 years that our space program
- has been a major and I mean major disaster? While the Russians keep setting
- endurance and payload records? I'm probably just as gullible as the next guy
- but I mean, give me a break! The worlds most technologically advanced nation
- can't even get a Minuteman III into the sky? As to the staging of operations
- it is my speculation (and speculation only) that materials and supplies of
- some kind were needed and not readily obtainable in the middle of the Amazon
- or Africa. But its very difficult and almost absurd to speculate as to why or
- why nots of a species avvanced by probably more than a billion years from
- ourselves.
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- #: 132783 S10/Paranormal Issues
- 25-Jan-88 18:46:57
- Sb: #132714-#UFO PHENOMENA
- Fm: DBC 71450,3504
- To: John LEar 71251,642 (X)
-
- John: Thanks for your message. I'm glad you refer to your story as a
- "hypothesis". There is plenty of room for hypotheses around here, and if you
- look back through the thread you will find several. Of course none are near as
- comprehensive as yours. It would seem your position has the advantage of
- numerous military contacts among whom are those concerned with "strange air
- craft" that have been flying aoound our planet for the last 40 years.
- Parts of your story are xxtremely hard to swallow; however, if one can
- keep an open mind about EBEs at all, then I suppose one could keep an open
- mind about anything and everthng. Since you have entered the forum I was
- wondering if you could answer some questions. First, regarding the loss of 66
- soldiers in an underground "CIA-EBE" facility at Dulce in 1979, was there ever
- any newspaper articles about the dissappearance of these men? I have other
- questions, but for the moment let me ask only one additional question. In all
- your thousands of hours of flying in all types of aircraft, have you yourself
- ever encountered a UFO? If so, could you describe it?
- Actually CIS is probably the ideal medium in which to elaborate on your
- theory and generate some reaction (questions, etc.). The nature of the system
- facilitates careful thinking (by some) about each point by allowing plenty of
- time for all of us to consider our comments, questions and responses.
- We are also hoping Phil Imbrogno (author of Night Siege) will soon be
- interacting with us and providing an update on the Hudson Valley phenomenon.
- Regards, DBC
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- * Reply: 132823
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- #: 132823 S10/Paranormal Issues
- 26-Jan-88 11:47:37
- Sb: #132783-#UFO PHENOMENA
- Fm: John LEar 71251,642
- To: DBC 71450,3504 (X)
-
- Hi DBC, yeah, when I first wrote the thing I distributed with a personal
- letter stating that it was a hypothesis, however, in the redistribution,
- friends to friends etc. the 'hypothesis' part was dropped. Oh well. Anyway as
- far as the altercation at Dulce there was no media coverage or anything. I
- know of one person that did escape and he is the one that assembled what is
- known as "The Dulce Papers". These 'papers' contain a 6 minute video of the
- inside of the Dulce facility, 25 black and white photos and about a dozen
- document explaining what went on inside there. I have not seen the Dulce
- papers themselves but I have seen drawings of the photographs. If you will
- send me your address I will send you a copy of what I have (you won't believe
- it) but I'll send it anyway. In 14,000 hours of flying all over the world I
- have not seen even the most remotely strange object. God knows I've looked
- though. However I have heard 1001 genuine sighting stories from guys I fly
- with. The best stories come from ex-Air Force pilots and the stories of the
- harrassment, intimidation and psychological games the Air Force plays with
- personnel that have had sightings. I think its a disgrace. DBC just out of
- curiosity I would be interested in knowing the singlemost item you have
- trouble swallowing....I'd like to see if that may be something I have a little
- more on than the rest by chance. Talk to you later. Regards, John.
-
- * Replies: 132846, 132848
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- #: 132846 S10/Paranormal Issues
- 26-Jan-88 19:31:23
- Sb: #132823-#UFO PHENOMENA
- Fm: Michelle & Charles 76701,11
- To: John LEar 71251,642 (X)
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-
- John,
-
- Since reading "Communion" about 6 months ago, I've been researching UFOs. I've
- been reading as many books as possible on the subject (they're hard to get,
- however, even here in Manhattan!) dating from the early 50's right through to
- today. Based on some of the European books I've read, I have this strong
- feeling that if you accept the theory that one planet's inhabitants can
- accomplish interstellar travel, it's not too far a leap to conjecture that
- more than one advanced race can visit us (just looking at the size of our
- piece of the universe). And I'm wondering if you've come across anything in
- your research that indicates that we have visitors from more than one source
- (planet).
-
- Some of the European visitors claim they're from the Pleiades (and are
- reported to look very human) while our EBE visitors seem very different than
- that. Anything in your research indicate where the EBE's originate? The only
- reference I've been able to come up with on that topic is Betty Hill's
- discussion (brought out in hypnosis by Dr. Simon) with the apparent EBE about
- where he's from, and his chiding of her for not being more well versed on
- astronomy and her lack of recognition of her location in star maps when they
- were presented to her. Any comments would be appreciated.
-
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- Michelle
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- * Reply: 132853
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- #: 132853 S10/Paranormal Issues
- 26-Jan-88 21:39:58
- Sb: #132846-#UFO PHENOMENA
- Fm: John LEar 71251,642
- To: Michelle & Charles 76701,11 (X)
-
- We are being visited by about 70 different species most in a covert nature.
- The 4 main typesoof visitors were litted in a USAF Aaademy physics book volume
- 2 chapter 13 titled UFO's. This chapter was taken out several years ago
- because of the publicity it got. They mention 4 types: the EBE, the Blondes
- (similar to us but invariably blonde and blue eyed) a species similar to the
- blondes but taller with eyes that wrap a little further around the face, and a
- short hairy creature about 4 feet tall weight of about 40 pounds and
- extreme;ly strong. The Pleides case has created a lot of controversy.
- Apparently some of the photos were faked. Some weren't. No negatives are
- around these days to check. Some people call it an out and out fraud. There
- are some aspects of the case that would lead one to believe that maybe
- 'something' did happen but that it has been lost in the shuffle. Me? I havn't
- made up my mind yet. It is relatively certain that the EBE's came from a
- binary star system called Zeta Retculi 1 and 2. It is visible only from
- latitudes south of Mexico City. It has a spectral class of G-2 which is
- identical to our sun. The story of how we know all tthis was in Astronomy
- magazine circa 1976. I have a poor copy in case you want me to send it to
- you...its about 30 pages long. Please let me know and will talk to you later.
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- #: 132879 S10/Paranormal Issues
- 27-Jan-88 19:03:03
- Sb: #132853-#UFO PHENOMENA
- Fm: Ted Markley <s10> 76067,3777
- To: John LEar 71251,642 (X)
-
- John,
- I must say your hypothesis is quite amazing. I happen to believe there is a
- larger body or evidence out there that points to non human visitors
- (extraterrestrial or earthly origin I can not say) or a very sophisticated
- method of manipulating human perception (an equally amazing feat.) But your
- story, with all it plots and subplots is impossible for me to swallow without,
- at least, some form of prima facia evidence. In "Communion" Whitley Strieber
- presents corroborative accounts of wife, friends as well as professionally
- administered lie detector tests, psychological examination and hypnotic
- transcripts done by a noted professional. In "Night Siege" Phil Imbrogno has
- amassed numerous eye witness accounts including professionals and technical
- professional (not to mention a video tape.) In "Intruders" Budd Hopkins relates
- physical evidence as wlll as corroboraiive statements from several
- experiencee's. In addition he has carefully concealed specifics of the craft's
- interiors from the individual witnesses and the public in general. In spite of
- this there is an uncanny similarity of the abductee's reports in terms of the
- crafts interior, the details of the pupils of the creatures, and the
- descriptions of the writing seen in the craft. What can you offer?
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- * Reply: 132910
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- #: 132910 S10/Paranormal Issues
- 28-Jan-88 09:06:26
- Sb: #132879-UFO PHENOMENA
- Fm: John LEar 71251,642
- To: Ted Markley <s10> 76067,3777 (X)
-
- Ted, thank you for your comments. If you ever get to Las Vegas you are welcome
- to go through all the documents I have collected on the subject and which led
- me to the 'hypothesis' which was presentdd here and on Paranet. Your
- observation about the earthly origin of non-human visitors may have great
- significance. Talk to you later.
-
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- #: 132848 S10/Paranormal Issues
- 26-Jan-88 19:59:16
- Sb: #132823-#UFO PHENOMENA
- Fm: DBC 71450,3504
- To: John LEar 71251,642 (X)
-
- John: I suppose one of the more difficult to believe parts of your story is
- that a live EBE is being held in a secret facility at Los Alamos. I should
- think that, it true, he/she(?) could be easily rescued by fellow aliens who
- seem to be able to "float" human "abductees" through walls and into their
- ships etc. Is this the same EBE on the alleged video tape being interviewed
- using an Air Force Colonel to interpret by telepathic reception? (If true the
- subsequent interview scheduled at the time of the "stock market correction" in
- October would certainl have blown the market to bits.)
- Another question. Can you tell us who or what rank were the highest
- ranking government/officials you interviewed in your study? Your comments
- about Sen. John Glen inquiring about an NSA "Aquarius" file and that Henry
- Kissenger, Adm. Bobby Inman and Adm. Poindexter are currently members of MJ-12
- are interesting, as is the point that the Nat. Security Council receives
- regularly a list of abductees. I can just see all of them (including EBE) on a
- future ABC "Nightline" show.
- I must admit, your story is a scary one. A year ago I would have laughed
- it off, but after reading Night Siege, Communion and Intruders, its hard to
- dispute that something very strange is happening. Parts of your story fit. I
- can only hope other patts of the "hypothesis" are not true. Will stay tuned.
- Regards, DBC.
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- * Reply: 132855
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- #: 132855 S10/Paranormal Issues
- 26-Jan-88 21:58:50
- Sb: #132848-#UFO PHENOMENA
- Fm: John LEar 71251,642
- To: DBC 71450,3504 (X)
-
- One of the video tapes being held by Moore is that of an interview with
- the EBE using an AF Col. to help with the telepathic commun communication.
- This may be one of the videos that Moore will supposedly release soon. As far
- as the rescue attempt it is my understanding that this EBE is a 'defector'.
- Sound far out? Yep it is. As far as escaping, apparently the electromagnetic
- facility is pretty secure. Yes they can float and disappear but can't get
- out. I was allowed to see oome top secret eemos regarding the EBE's a few
- months ago. If anything can be humorous aoout all this, this one mone memo
- came close. In the text of the memo from someone to someone else it had the
- message.."by the way EBE-2 wants to see the ocean. We had better make the
- arrangements or he'll disappear again." The highest ranking official I
- interviewed was a Col. at Sandia. Will keep in touch.
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- * Reply: 132875
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- #: 132875 S10/Paranormal Issues
- 27-Jan-88 18:26:56
- Sb: #132855-UFO PHENOMENA
- Fm: DBC 71450,3504
- T:: John LEar 71251,642 (X)
-
- John: Can you elaborate some on the brain insertioss. A number of Ufologists
- including Budd Hopkins (author of Intruders) have proposed that abductees are
- "tagged" via insertion of a small object into the brain (frequently through
- the nose). Your hypothesis gives various reasons for doing this, however, do
- you have any info on whether such "brain beads" have actually been physically
- detected in abduction victims (e.g. CT or MRI scans)?
- Your comment about the "senior scientist" from JPL brings to mind Jim
- Dolce's story dealing with the reaction of a JPL scientist to his Bentwaters
- tape (see message #132063). Probably the same guy!
- DBC
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- #: 132878 S10/Paranormal Issues
- 27-Jan-88 19:01:47
- Sb: #132853-UFO PHENOMENA
- Fm: Michelle & Charles 76701,11
- To: John LEar 71251,642 (X)
-
- Dear John:
-
- Very interesting to hear that the USAF has so cleanly classified our visitors!
- (And these are the same folks that supposedly, in Project Grudge days, pitched
- into the wastebasket any UFO sightings that involved contact!)
-
- As I understand it, the Zeta Retculi work was done by a high school science
- teacher from Ohio, working with Betty Hill? I very much appreciate your offer
- of a copy, but I think I've read enough about it (and I'm still bruhhing up on
- my astronomy in the cours of this research). What are your feelings on the
- contention (Vallee's, I believe) that because Betty Hill's map was drawn from
- memory by hand the relative distances can't be assumed to be correct and
- therefore Mrs. Fish's work is only caance/speculatio?? But to counter this, I
- was impressed that she got it published in "Astronomy".
-
- According to your research, all the abductions, genetic experimentation and
- government "deals" have been accomplished by our visitors from Zeta Retculi?
- Also, have you read of the member of the House of Representatives from Kansas
- who in 1897 or so witnessed one of his head of cattle being roped and lifted
- up by a saucer, only to find the head and hide and legs bearing his brand on
- his neighbor's property the next day? They were mutilating cows back then? I
- appreciate your ongoing comments and information, as I'm fascinated with the
- topic (but don't quite know what to make of it yet) and I am ravenously
- devouring all info! Any tips on good sources (i.e. mail order/bookstores)
- that carry this eesearch?
-
-
- Best, Michelle
-
-
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- #: 132949 S10/Paranormal Issues
- 28-Jan-88 21:36:36
- Sb: #132878-UFO PHENOMENA
- Fm: DBC 71450,3504
- To: Michelle & Charles 76701,11 (X)
-
- Michelle: If you examine the data library in the "space forum" under
- "extraterrestrials", you will find a list of books on the topic. Regards, DBC
-
-
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- #: 133011 S10/Paranormal Issues
- 29-Jan-88 15:41:31
- Sb: #132878-UFO PHENOMENA
- Fm: Jim Speiser 72335,424
- To: Michelle & Charles 76701,11 (X)
-
- Michelle, if I may jump in here for a sec...
-
- First, I think it was Sagan who proposed that Betty Hill's map was invalid,
- due to chance factors, unreliability of memory, etc. However, I am impressed
- with the work of the schoolteacher, Ms. Fish, as she was able to find one and
- only one match in three dimensions. Sagan restricted his arguments to the
- two-dimensional model, but as far as I know has not responded to the
- three-dimensional one.
-
- As to the Kansas case, the rancher's name was Alexander Hamilton (no relation
- to the Founding Father), and the case was later exposed as a hoax. (Cohen,
- "The Great Airship Mystery"). It is still quoted to this day as an example of
- a 19th Century mutilation, however. Old hhoppers die har..
-
- Jim
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- #: 132941 S10/Paranormal Issues
- 28-Jan-88 19:09:08
- Sb: #132910-#UFO PHENOMENA
- Fm: Ted Markley <s00> 76067,3777
- To: John LEar 71251,642 (X)
-
- John,
- Thanks for the invitation to review your material in Las Vegas. While I don't
- foresee a trip i the immediate uuture I do occasionally get out that way.
- .
- There is a point in your hypothesis that troubles me. You mentioned that
- "Cows and Humans are genetically similar. In the event of a national disaster,
- cow's blood can be used by humans". May I ask the source of this information?
- .
- Regards,
- Ted
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- * Reply: 132944
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- #: 132944 S10/Paranormal Issues
- 28-Jan-88 20:35:49
- Sb: #132941-UFO PHENOMENA
- Fm: John LEar 71251,642
- To: Ted Markley <s10> 76067,3777
-
- Regarding the cows blood that statement came from 2 university studies. I will
- get you the names by tomorrow. I questioned that statement myself as a doctor
- I know said that what they probablymmeant was that fraction of the blood
- could be used. But on further checking I found out that it can be used whole.
- I have the names somewhere so let me work on it. Talk to you later.
-
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- #: 132793 S10/Paranormal Issues
- 25-Jan-88 21:18:40
- Sb: #132240-UFO phenomenon
- Fm: Michelle & Charles 76701,11
- To: phil 76636,44 (X)
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- Dear Phil:
-
- I must say I read your book with great interest. I have a few questions, if
- you don't mind. First, didn't Whitley Streiber mention a sighting of "your"
- UFO(s) at the end of "Commuion"? I think he mentioned an ad exec seeing a
- large UFO over a L.I. highway flashing "signals". Any comments?
-
- Also, doesn't it seem like the object wants to be seen, and by large numbers
- of reliable, creible witnesses? Any comments on this in relationtto John
- Lear's theor of a grand master plan of revelation to the U.S. public would be
- interesting to hear.
-
-
- Michelle (Charles is still reading the book)
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- #: 132948 S10/Paranormal Issues
- 28-Jan-88 21:26:08
- Sb: UFO PHENOMENA
- Fm: DBC 71450,3504
- To: Jim Speiser
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- Jim: As a result of your own investigations or contacts with fellow
- ufologists, could you comment on whether there is support foom independent
- sources for any parts of John's hppothesis? Could you be specific about which
- parts if any? Regards, DBC
-
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- #: 133039 S10/Paranormal Issues
- 29-Jan-88 21:28:52
- Sb: #133011-UFO PHENOMENA
- Fm: Michelle & Charles 76701,11
- To: Jim Speiser 72135,424
-
- Thanks -- we've seen the story about Al Hamilton i several books presented as
- fact. It's very interesting that it's a hoax. We guess part of the fever of
- the airships going on at that time.
-
-
- -- C&M
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- #: 133015 S10/Paranormal Issues
- 29-Jan-88 16:21:24
- Sb: ufo phenomena
- Fm: phil 76636,44
- To: dbc
-
- thanks Yes the virgina flap is similar since there seems to be many witnesses
- over a long period of time. More and more boomerang sightings popping up all
- over!
- phil
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- #: 133120 S10/Paranormal Issues
- 30-Jan-88 23:09:32
- Sb: #132948-UFO PHENOMENA
- Fm: Jim Speiser 72135,424
- To: DBC 71450,3504 (X)
-
- I understand that John is not putting forth anything that hasn't been received
- by other researchers, some reportedly from independent sources. Most of these
- sources, however, seem to be of the anonymous "deep throat" type. Some of what
- John has said comes from a fellow by the name of Paul Bennewitz, who is
- mentioned in connection with the Kirtland AFB landing of 1980; some is from
- Moore's work; and some is from John's own research into UFOs and Cattle
- Mutilations. I don't really have any comments on the material at this time,
- except to say that, if you leave the door open even a crack for the basic,
- generic ET Hypothesis, then anything's possible.
-
- Jim
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- #: 133404 S10/Paranormal Issues
- 03-Feb-88 21:22:33
- Sb: UFO PHENOMENA
- Fm: DBC 71450,3504
- To: John Lear
-
- John: Thanks. I had missed your message (132920), probably because it wasn't
- labeled UFO PHENOMENA. I see we also have a related thread going now under the
- topic "cows blood".
- You mentioned you have a set of X-rays from the "Liz Stoner" case in
- which Stoner was "rushed to a hospital within three hours after being
- abducted". I'm not familiar with that story. Could you provide a little
- background on what happened and, if possible, describe the location you see a
- "small sphere"iin the X-rays. It would certainly be worth getting a
- professional evaluation of the films.
- DBC
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